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University of Minnesota Press book challenges anxiety about pedophilia


Mark O'Keefe Newhouse News Service
 Published Mar 26, 2002

 

Source: http://www.startribune.com/stories/384/2126968.html


Sex between adults and children has been a societal taboo so strong that it's considered one of our few unquestioned moral principles. But arguments have emerged in academic journals, books and online that at least some such sex should be acceptable, especially when children consent to it.

 

(First off, I must throw a shout out to my brotha RTD for catchin' this one for me, good lookin' out Holmes!  Now for the big fat "I TOLD YOU SO"! "At least some such sex should be acceptable, especially when children consent to it."... This was so predictable to me that people denying it was like they were denying their own mortality.  There is normal, healthy, reproductive, consensual sex that has continued the human species for a very long time... And then there is everything else.  My simple prediction was this, if a society collectively strays from the natural and then attempts to make the unnatural natural, then there are no more defined boundaries for that society in regard to right and wrong and absolute decadence will surely follow.  Moral relativism as we know it today is a product of the Baby-boom generation and their "protesting" during the 1960's and 1970's.  This is another Truth that a number of people in this society refuse to come to terms with, primarily the Boomers.  Some of you may already be countering me with, "does this idiot think that homosexuality began in the 1960's?"  Of course I don't.  The point is that there is right and wrong just as there is up and down.  That line was blurred beginning in the 60's and it has been getting more and more blurry every year.  Another feeble retort on the part of those who want homo and hetero to be equal, is that people like myself who recognize the FACT that homosexual sex's inherent downfall is that it is not reproductive, therefore it is unnatural and not species forwarding, are "afraid of homosexuals" and or are "closeted homosexuals" ourselves.  This simple minded little argument can easily be turned around on the gay sympathizers in the form of, "You are just afraid of Pedophiles because you are probably one yourself."  These pro-homo people will then be shocked that you could ever draw a correlation between the two when in all reality, you can only draw a correlation between them and not natural heterosexual reproductive sex for the simple fact that one is natural and forwarding of the human species and the other is for simple humanistic selfish pleasure.  The gays have tried to correlate their struggle to the struggle of Blacks and other ethnic minorities and somehow that's rational a majority in this country!  I can prove someone is Black, I cannot prove someone is a fag or a boy bottom toucher!  "Do you hate Pedophiles because they're pieces of you?" - Jewel... If she was TOTALLY honest in her song, but she's not, she is a Liberal!  Anyway, get used to stories like this one, there will be more and more of them in the future.  Eventually an articulate, intelligent 10-year-old boy will be standing in front of the Supremes with his 56-year-old male life-mate and a couple of ACLU attorneys representing NAMBLA (As they currently are for FREE!) and the Court will be hard pressed to justify the "arbitrary, inconsistent and Unconstitutional age restrictions from state to state".  Mark my words. - tha malcontent)

Those making the case aren't just fringe groups, such as the North American Man-Boy Love Association, but a handful of academics at mainstream universities.

 

(The ACLU is currently donating their legal services to NAMBLA for FREE, does this also make the ACLU a "fringe group"? - tha malcontent)

Members of this school of thought stress that they don't condone coercing children into sex, and that they are not pro-pedophilia, as the term is commonly understood. But several contend that minors are capable of agreeing to and even initiating sex with adults.

 

(I told people thatwhen the argument was made, it would be convincing!  But no one wanted to here me! - tha malcontent)

These academics seek to change the language, moving away from "pedophilia," which often evokes a charged negative response, particularly in light of the priest-pedophile cases challenging the Roman Catholic Church. In its place would be more neutral terms such as "intergenerational sex" or "adult-child sex."

 

(It will be called "intergenerational sex" or "adult-child sex"... Is this getting any clearer for you people yet? - tha malcontent)

With more research, some scholars say, it may be only a matter of time before modern society accepts adult-child sex, just as it has learned to accept premarital sex and homosexual sex.

 

(And I was the bad guy for making the connection between boy bottom touchers and fags! - tha malcontent)

"Children are the last bastion of the old sexual morality," wrote one of the trailblazers for this view, Harris Mirkin, an associate professor of political science at the University of Missouri-Kansas City.

 

(Pro-pedophilia Professors are called "trailblazers" by the "Free Press"... Is it getting any clearer yet? - tha malcontent)

Social conservatives aware of efforts to legitimize adult-child sex have publicly expressed horror. On his radio show broadcast to hundreds of Christian stations, psychologist and author James Dobson said the intent is to "make boys accessible" to men.

 

(Then I guess I can conclude that those who are for this kind of behavior are "Liberals"? - tha malcontent)

Leading gay rights groups also have denounced the effort.

 

(PURE CRAP!  The IGLA, the leading international organization for FAGS were kicked out of a World Conference on disease and poverty by the United Nations for their blatant connections and voiced sympathies for the North American Man Boy Love Association! My source is the Associated Press, September 18, 1994... Go research it yourself! - tha malcontent) 

"Pedophilia is something that's abhorrent, should be condemned in the strongest of terms and should have nothing to do with gay civil rights issues," said David Smith, spokesman for the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign. Smith also spoke out against the North American Man-Boy Love Association, which has been trying to link adult-child sex with homosexual rights for 24 years.

 

(Again, I suggest you research my source for the Truth. - tha malcontent)

The American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic manual removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in 1973, but pedophilia remains there. The manual describes pedophiles as having "recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger)."

 

(Change the child reference to man and I think this describes the majority in the disease infested homosexual community! - tha malcontent)

An APA statement separate from the manual says an adult who engages in sexual activity with a child "is performing a criminal and immoral act" that can "never" be considered socially acceptable.

 

("Never"... I wouldn't be so sure! - tha malcontent)

Legal definitions vary from state to state and often are under criminal codes dealing with indecent liberties with a child, sodomy and rape. Pedophilia may not be mentioned by name. Instead, the laws concern sexual contact with a child under a certain age.

 

(Check Alabama's law's compared to California's! - tha malcontent)

The most coordinated opposition to change has come from the Leadership Council for Mental Health, Justice & the Media, an organization of mental health professionals headquartered in Bala Cynwyd, Pa. The group describes its mission as protecting children "through ethical applications of psychological science." Since its inception in 1998, it has focused on debunking what it considers pro-pedophilia studies.

 

(Fight the good fight... As fruitless as it may be! - tha malcontent)

"What the pedophiles are looking for is some group of professionals to champion their cause," said Stephanie Dallam, a Leadership Council researcher. "Then they'll come up with a derogatory term to deride anyone who disagrees with them. Their claim will be to objective science, even though their science is sloppy and terrible."

 

(Moral relevance comes into play here!  Who's "right" is really "right"?  Once this argument was started for homo's, it could never be stopped in regard to deviant, unreproductive, unnatural sex! - tha malcontent)

As an example, Dallam cites an organization calling itself IPCE, a forum that discusses academic arguments for adult-child sex.

The group formed as the International Pedophile and Child Emancipation group, then shortened its name to the acronym alone, according to a newsletter posted on its Web site. The site contains an extensive library of academic papers and provides links to other pro-pedophilia Web sites, including one at which people converse -- sometimes posting pictures -- about sexual interactions with children.

 

("Do you hate them, because they are pieces of you?" - tha malcontent)

In an article to be published in the spring issue of The Journal of Child Sexual Abuse, Dallam writes that a major strategy in normalizing pedophilia is to limit the term "child sexual abuse" to cases in which actual harm to children is demonstrated, not just assumed.

 

(Like "sodomy" was removed from the language in regard to FAGS! - tha malcontent)

Mirkin, whose academic specialty is the politics of sex, wrote in a 1999 article published in The Journal of Homosexuality that society perceives youths as seduced, abused victims and not "partners or initiators or willing participants" in sex with adults, "even if they are hustlers."

 

(BUT they can be tried as adults according to the Supreme Court! - tha malcontent)

In an interview, Mirkin said the outrage surrounding the Roman Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal illustrates how the public views acts of intergenerational contact as "one big blur" of child abuse when it's likely "very, very mild stuff."

"We say if someone touches or molests or diddles or whatever a kid it will ruin the rest of their life. I don't believe it. I think kids are more likely to laugh at it more than anything else -- unless the whole culture says this is the most horrible thing that can happen to you."

 

(A member of the Associated Press published this   story which in turn has given the "debate" legitimacy... Don't forget that! - tha malcontent)

Mirkin is not alone in questioning whether children are harmed by sexual contact with adults. The March 2002 American Psychologist devotes its entire issue to the ongoing fallout of a journal article that did just that.

 

(More rationalization from those who society "respects"! - tha malcontent)

The piece, in the July 1998 issue of Psychological Bulletin, was written by Bruce Rind, then an assistant professor of psychology at Temple University; Robert Bauserman, a lecturer then with the department of psychology at the University of Michigan; and Philip Tromovitch, then pursuing a doctorate at the University of Pennsylvania.

 

(Did you catch those credentials? - tha malcontent)

The trio reviewed 59 studies of college students who, as children, had sexual interaction with significantly older people or were coerced into sexual activity with someone of their own age. They concluded that negative effects "were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women." It recommended that a child's "willing encounter with positive reactions" be called "adult-child sex" instead of "abuse."

 

(Temple University, University of Michigan and University of Pennsylvania.  I predicted that the American College system would be the door openers on this subject, just as they were for drugs and homosexuality back in the 60's! - tha malcontent)

A soon-to-be-released book, "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex," is being advertised by its publisher, University of Minnesota Press, as challenging widespread anxieties about pedophilia.

 

("Freedom of Speech", as the ACLU is calling it currently while defending NAMBLA for FREE! - tha malcontent)

In an interview, the book's author, journalist Judith Levine, praised the Rind study as evidence that "doesn't line up with the ideology that it's always harmful for kids to have sexual relationships with adults."

 

("Do you hate them, because they're pieces of you?" - tha malcontent)

She said the pedophilia among Roman Catholic priests is complicated to analyze, because it's almost always secret, considered forbidden and involves an authority figure.

 

(Like William the Liar and the unpaid intern his daughter's age that he took advantage of while being her boss and the most powerful man in the World?  Oh, I'm sorry, she was just a "fat tramp"! - tha malcontent)

She added, however, that, "yes, conceivably, absolutely" a boy's sexual experience with a priest could be positive.

 

(Is this getting any clearer for you fence riders yet? - tha malcontent)

"When I was a minor, I had sex with an adult," she said. "He was one of my first lovers. My heart was broken, but my heart was broken by a lot of boys, too. I'd say on balance that it was a perfectly good experience."

 

(When enough of these voices become audible, and they will, there will be "Intergenerational parades" in New York before you know it!  Then Hollywood stars will start "coming out"!  I heard little Drew has some interesting stories about being a child in Hollywood! - tha malcontent)

After Dr. Laura Schlessinger denounced the Rind article on her nationally broadcast radio program, the U.S. House of Representatives unanimously passed a resolution rejecting the study.

 

("Do you hate them, because they are pieces of you?" - tha malcontent)

Many academics came to the study's vigorous defense, citing the need for academic freedom to pursue unpopular topics. But other scholars joined the Leadership Council, Dallam's group, in lambasting the study for what they considered sloppy methodology and a refusal to look at numerous other studies suggesting significant mental, physical and behavioral harm to abused children. Rind, now a part-time instructor at Temple, did not respond to requests for an interview.

 

(My personal belief, based in Truth, is that the molestation of children leads to Homosexuality.  There have been numerous studies done in the Gay community that back this assertion up.  The Gays are all to quick to assert their hatred for their "sexually abusive" parents.  It's like a broken record when you listen to them in these studies, one after the other. - tha malcontent)

The controversy still raged in May 1999, when the American Psychological Association, which published the Rind article, passed a resolution saying that "sexual relations between children and adults are abusive, exploitive, reprehensible and properly punishable by law."

 

(Did you ever stop to think that, like Homosexuals, that they might be "born that way"?  I challenge anyone to prove one more right than the other!  You can't. - tha malcontent)

But adult-child sex remains a field of study.

While some, such as Mirkin, have argued that teen-age children can consent to adult sex, there appears to be no clear consensus among these scholars as to when a child should be considered too young.

 

(And therein lies the open-ended question.  Once this door is opened, it cannot be closed. 13-12-11-10-9-8... - tha malcontent)

Gilbert Herdt, director of human sexuality studies at San Francisco State University, said determining an age of consent "is very, very problematic." He stressed that there must be a point where society says it's unacceptable, and illegal, for an adult to have sex with a minor, but he would not say where the line should be.

 

(Because in a morally relative society such as we live in today, drawing lines is an almost impossible thing to do.  Once you start moving the line, or debating where the line is, was or will be, you throw right and wrong out the window! - tha malcontent)

"It's totally different in my mind to think about consent with an 18-year-old than a 10-year-old," said Herdt, who has written that sexual attraction can begin as early as 8. "So then you say, 'What about a 13-year-old, is that more like a 10-year-old or an 18-year-old?' These are the types of questions that ultimately find their way into legal cases because of the imprecision of these categories."

The academic debate has begun to find its way into more popular culture.

 

(As the "Gay Liberation" did in the late 60's and found it's way onto the cover of LIFE magazine in their year-end issue for 1971.  Mark my words, there is no more right and wrong, there is only court cases to win! - tha malcontent)

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